Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. What if I want to get some real nice (read expensive) gun and in order to spare my familys budget I decide to sell part of my gun collection? Fight it. Like other gun-manufacturers Springfield can move its operations to a gun-friendly state. I made the move to northwest Indiana 20 years ago. Most places, its still over $1500. Glad I happened upon this article. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. Compare. Was going to purchase a TRP and was looking at RRA ar. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. Theyre both stuck now. I see how you fired a shot across IFMAs bow last week. Hence why, even with Democrats holding a super-majority in both our House and Senate, and a rabidly anti-gun Governor, we held the line even post-Newtown. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. As for furniture, the BT 9 R9 Competition comes with a Hogue overmolded pistol grip and a four-position adjustable Rock River Arms buttstock. Your opinion and yourre entitled to it and welcome to voice it here, though it seems you prefer that others not voice theirs if they disagree with you. I have to say this really makes me mad. I live in Illinois. Wasnt sold on DAO until I shot it. Post interesting results everywhere. thats what matter and they put that last. Rugers stated public position was screw every other gun manufacturer and screw the American gun owners, as long as Ruger makes it and we want government contracts! Ruger sold us out on the 94 AWB and it is well documented. Very close to where I grew up. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. In the end, the timing proved fortuitous to all involved.. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? Ive heard of them canceling orders. PERIOD. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. I can promise that none, and I mean none of my not unsubstantial refund, is going to wind up in Springfields receivables account. I am sure you do not mean Nissan or Beretta both of which picked up and moved to Tennessee for their headquarters (as well as many other companies). Your Price: $744.13. RRA models, like the RRAGE, LAR15, BTB, ATH, LAR68 & Light Mountain, are available in many different color options and calibers. Of course lobbyists have the highest ethical standards, so thats just crazy talk. They see deep-blue Illinois as a great place toenact more of their gun control schemes. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. In the world of .308 Win. Also check out the BM 59 kits and complete rifles out there. I was just about to purchase a 1911 with the deal Springfield is running this week. RRA donated money as well I think they knew about stuff going on, but want to pretend they did not. Meanwhile, theres another, ahem, firearm blog, that refuses to address the SA/RRA issue. Out of stock. Nothing unethical about this practice. If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. This should put some perspective on how important this issue is to many of us. see: gasoline supply during any natural disaster where the govt threatens to prosecute profiteers. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. Didnt Smith and Wesson do the same thing back in the Clinton era, and it nearly bankrupted them, let alone took them years to reclaim the trust of the gun community. Meanwhile, over at the Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Olympic Arms continued this legacy with its OA-93, OA-96 and OA-98 models. Personally hate to hear whenever CEOs or head honchos make public decisions costing their employees jobs/money. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. So I have to ask. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? Rock River Arms (RRA) has introduced a new AR-style rifle to its lineup, designed specifically with the modern hunter in mind, with the new All Terrain Hunter (ATH). Dont own a Springfield anything and now never will. You can learn to make good parts on a CNC a lot faster than on a Bridgeport or SouthBend. Better sell that RRA while you still can. As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. If I was a competitor, Id print up ten thousand flyers announcing Springfields decision and carpet the show with them. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Done. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Lots of work. RRA will wind up being an LE only shop. Plenty of folks out there shooting LWRC, ArmaLite, DPMS who would argue theirs are reliable, accurate, & mo betta too. They pulled the same crap for the Clinton ban, Amen almost bought a springfield I agree with you to hell with them sig glock ruger for me here on out. And if they do, all the company has to do is say sorry like Ruger. CEODennis Reese hasntresponded to a request for comment or a further statement beyond the one he released Thursday night. Id say they are a step above most other production 1911s. That was just a small part of the problem. Good for them. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. Good luck with that RRA. They ignored it. The licensing fee? Illinoying is pushing to get shut down. Come to find out the guy had paid triple for the supply to be trucked in so people could have them. Illinois gun owners should pack up and move across the Mississippi to Missouri. So in a nutshell Ruger and Springfield are now on the list. And then maybe. I used to have a TRP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. Hinterland #: 50977; MFG #: MT1800X; In stock. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. Even cosmetologists and lawyers. No guilt trip on my hip. Well do our part in other states to support you. Magpul moved to WY. At least Henry, like Ruger, is 100% American. Thankfully, many of the downstate Dems are staunchly pro-gun. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. Screw that. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Bummer, I was considering a Springfield 1911 at some point. Ive bought 4 guns in the last year and a half since they opened their store. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Rock River Arms)[14] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. To whom will they sell? Helps to have the older experience but not insurmountable. An EMP 4 WAS the next scheduled buy.. not anymore, never again. The vocal retards who screamed about this conveniently ignored that last part. Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. This Modern Sporting Rifle is built with a carbine-length gas system with a low-profile gas black to efficiently redirect propellant gases. Bonus was it was stainless frame and made in the USA. Perhaps a company thought they could pull a fast one and nobody would notice. WebRock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer that produces a variety of rifles, pistols, and parts for civilian, law enforcement, and military markets. Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. Springfields CEO on the other hand, either through stupidity, hamhandedness or outright lying has seriously damaged his company. I cannot in good conscience support in any way a company that would pull this kind of stunt. No more. Ive never had an issue with CTD in a decade. Neither excuse is a proper justification. I.e., Target blamed climate change on revenue misses. My sprinters were not seeing much action lately. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. IMO, this last election postponed the literal civil war Ive been advocating for for over 10 years. F$&@ Ruger too! They were charging $100 for a 30 round mag during the panic. Illinois acts like an evil, independant country when it comes to our Second Amendment rights, ignoring law and constantly jockeying for ways to squelch our right of self-protection through our right to bear arms. Free Shipping On Most Rifles, Upper Halves And Complete Lower Halves. And theyre telling their friends. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. Screw CTD. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. In your opinion. If for no other reason than as a cautionary tale to other would be future sell outs. And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. We there the courts kill the law or the governor vetoes it, nothing changes the sellout by Springfield. If one of them didnt actually know about this then thats really not fair. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. Dicks/Field & Stream, Troy, Hexmag, RRA, Springfield Arms, Target, CTD, et al, are making it hard on themselves.They are alienating their demographic. Start by giving everyone involved a TSA-style probe. There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. People are watching everything the government and companies are doing now. And dont give me this they have changed nonsense. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. Divide & conquer. Springfield Armory *deserves* to be pitchforked and torched. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. Major mistake, Springfield. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. Good grip, low muzzle flip/recoil, ambi controls, no mag safety and very easy to strip/reassemble. But thats only a fraction of his treachery. Meaning they are NOT a legal lobbyist. How does what a lobbying group receives from a company 3 years ago translate to what the lobbying group does in the present? Make the bill political kryptonite. RRA and Springfield can suck my dong, they will never get a penny from me. Especially ones outside Chiraq. With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. Well, not basically, they did. Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. However, too many judges seem to rule on what they think should be fine, instead of the law. Good for them, too. Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. That said, this just breaks my heart to see this moron Reese damage the brand. Glad I waited. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. This wasnt the first time gun dealer licensing has come up in Illinois. I was going to buy the Saint, seemed like a.nice rifle, now.they can piss up a rope. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. Such a thing exists. Is there a list somewhere? It was a great decision, I have never looked back. Why does anyone ever even try to work with them? If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. Since 2002. Never buying anything from springfield ever again and my one xdm is up for sale as of yesterdayI dont even want it in my safe. Those bastards. Well also work on the NRA to start taking a firmer stance against rogue anti-2A manufacturers, no matter how much advertising space they buy. My inventory of six XD pistols two 1911 .45s and two M 1As will be up for sale tommorow. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! Dont forget about the Ruger, Smith and Wesson sellout.. They can spout their support of the 2A all day, just like Shannon Watts does, but its just words. It doesnt have to be both for the same reason. They will now go to the top so I can wear them out and use the warranty. They are good weapons but I Cant help but feel betrayed when I look at them now. Audits of the players, including the lobbyist and relevant politicians, and FOIAs or something for pending investigations against all the same could prove enlightening. I used to love my Springfield XDM and M1a national match. I was a dedicated 1911 guy and really wanted to stick with something with a grip safety like the EMP contour or even the R-51. WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. Antifa is showing what they are willing to do, watch their fellow komrad take a LEO beanbag round to the wang and keep marching. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. Go and ask them and Youtube/Periscope their responses. Brownells, Midway, Primary arms, Rainer, Wing Tactical, and SG Ammo are my favorite online retailers. This is a digital day/night scope. Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. Rock River Arms has In fact, I own a Springfield M1A Scout Squad that they gave me free of charge after I encountered a series of malfunctions with an old SAR8. You cannot exempt large businesses from onerous regulations that you impose on small businesses. After the event I hadnt seen a shipping notification. Does anyone really buy RRAs BS, We didnt know? 84283412342. Except they are both under different ownership today. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. S&W was owned by a British company who were forced to sell their company for pennies on the dollar. So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. I have family that works in the town. Wrong. Were pulling out of IFMA and regret that this happened. If discounted to $0, maybe. had I known earlier, I might have bought a few more colt revolvers..god I wish Id known. Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. Shame! This isnt really about the law itself. An American voting for a Democrat That guy knows the M14 and M1a rifles. All have been accurate and reliable. Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. Its called doing business. I look at their site and the parts were available from the same warehouses at a higher price. Cancelled orders? Tell us more about your experience in running a business. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. Everyone (hopefully) recognizes that Bloomberg et al use bad legislation in NY and elsewhere as models to sell to politicians elsewhere, hence the need to use all available legal avenues to demonstrate the fallout from such actions. With an MSRP of $860, it is a capable rifle at great price point. Some times they have deals. The bills author was Dianne Feinstein (D-CA). Now I wish I had not. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you Damn This is turning into that mob with the torches looking for Frankenstein. Its real easy for you people to bash a company when you dont own shit. I wanted one with the threaded barrel and suppressor sights. Maybe thats the case in many instances, but its not like the IFMA has thousands of members. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. Had it in the cart at buds ready to buy tomorrow and now it definitely is not going to happen. 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