Not physical tally sheets, but during my time in-country there sure were MENTAL tally sheets used for the One-Upmanship Game. (Exod. He is politically liberal, decrying sexism, racism, and the fear of people who are different, and is a vocal critic of Donald Trump. If it is seeing a good friend after a long time, a family member, etc, understandable. Its very complicated. Hybel's father was an entrepreneur in wholesale produce whose work ethic was the model for his son. Is that honest? Now that these accusations are coming out in the open, some women have doubts that the skeptics will acknowledge the body of evidence about his behavior, and confront their own preconceived beliefs. Boundaries, anyone? Its all God this, God that, God God God. I suspect one does not not from creepy hugs, but research shows it is true in more ambivalent hugs, or hugs where someone is already inclined to have even a small degree of trust (e.g. The fact that just a bunch of us posting our opinions on blogs can cause such a ruckus tells me we are touching infected nerves.. I think Bill Hybels is an intelligent man. Surrounded by sycophants, who knew better. It is when people naively do not realize that everyone has an agenda, not to be cynical, that they fail to ask important questions and perform essential (to them!) Thats how they get by with it. Its uncomfortable but is it anything really? Fast forward to a point where a number of people are coming forward sharing *the same experience. I pray every day for you-know-who to be able to find a way out of teaching which did not result in poverty. Such a horror of more revictimization. Again, I thought not much more of that conversation until years later when other stories emerged that included Ambien. The statement was wrong in every way and since there is a great possibility that the group is very concerned and just seeking truth. @ Law Prof: https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg. Got to stop that! Let me give you some good news. Read the Bible. Still, i know these women and they are godly and credible. Call only those whose backgrounds really do show *above reproach* character. So pastor rock stars are way more dangerous. By the time you get there, youve probably already been compromised yourself, youve supported a lot of evil things, youve shouted down others who were only trying to get at the truth (as I once did, alassorry, Adam, you were right and I was wrong, pastor really was up to no good), and its not easy to extricate yourself or your family. My bad. Family. https://futuristguymedia.wordpress.com/pyramid-of-abuse-and-culpability-complicity/. Western Christians seem to view hell as a location whereas Eastern Christians seem to view it as a state of being. Eloquence is a gift from God, but it is only the Holy Spirit working through the folly of proclaiming Christ crucified that ever won a single soul. @ Lydia: This was mishandled. No quid pro quo to substantiate. Some of these little churches were literally destroyed. Yep and the email deal reminds me of someone else. The new letter to John Ortberg is a farce and anyone who has been a victim advocate is aware of it. Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. Really? In hindsight, it is exactly as others have stated predatory, calculated and manipulative all with a facade of kindness and mentoring. @ Bridget: @ AbuseCrusher: Just wondering??? And whistleblowers are rarely the pristine good guys with no baggage. I was never a member, but many family members were including on the entertainment, I mean worship, team. Hes clearly a narcissistic predator, and I feel so horrible for his victims, his family, and especially those for who the spell hasnt been broken yet and whom he will continue to abuse. My pray time this morning brought me directly to this passage in Luke Chapter 6 vs 37-42. Further, if a few women get run over in this situtation it is fine, and in other cases if a bunch of litlle boys get rapped, thats OK since in long run the positives outway the negatives. @ ishy: You forgot naked swimming, shower on the boat, and deleted emails. So, why were Hybels emails so important that they had to be deleted? Stop the Nonsense, WCC Trebuchet Club!!!! And while Hybels coached men to abide by the so-called "Billy Graham rule"never being alone with a women he was not married tohe often broke that rule, according to the Tribune. @ Barbara Roberts: Whatever the intention, both teach. But what does that have to do with her testimony? If Hybels had confessed an Ambien addiction with unlikely but serious side effects at the WC family meeting which had caused his occasional bad behavior around women staffers, he might have received a longer standing ovation. I get it bothers you. People invest a lot of themselves into their celebrity pastors. *Bill also admitted that the woman alleging an affair had spent many nights at the Hybels home when Lynne was out of town.* (from the Nancy Ortberg post). I have going to professional society meeting for over 30 years, and hospitality suites are expected/ the norm. The lead elder talks about a duty to protect the church and cites Acts 20:28 which allows her to indirectly call the betrayed wolves and enemies of the church. This is about strange behavior which was tolerated because one guy knew how to build a church and bring in money. This is a serious question we all need to ask ourselves about our own churches. not for this long. Publicado por Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback Por stardew valley creepypasta septiembre 22, 2021 tvistevgen ume flashback William Hybels (born December 12, 1951) is an American church figure and author. I remember a similar excuse well stated by Flip Wilson The devil made me do it., No wonder you have no qualms about slamming the Church, the bride of Christ, I find it a it off putting that anyone would keep a list of *how many have you led to Christ.*. Older churches tend to have better systems in place for transitions and maybe enough history to understand that a church is not one man. Im thankful they embraced egalitarianism and led the way with women in leadership. But David and all Israel beginning at Davids own house bore the consequences of the sin. Yes, I am. This is largely Christianese. @ Thersites: That this has to be explained in The Church is unbelievable. I hope that someone who knows what they are doing is archiving all of the official statements and documents by Hybels and WC. 3 comments are deleted. Hybels is a man and he serves at the pleasure of the real King. But I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. What BH did is reprehensible. The founding couple died, and the board got rid of those naughty kids and grandkids. There is a small but growing movement among evangelicals against unique friendship for Israel, embodied by the recent "Impact Holy Land" conference hosted by Evangelicals for Social Action in Philadelphia. There is more to this story. These things are often expected immediately in the Christian world. Read Acts 4 and 5. Wondering if the old frog in the pot was happening at the church, including John Ortberg. If you arent a hugger, you arent a hugger. It may not be what everyone wants, even if it is innocent. Not a wise thing to do. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? (2) A face-to-face conversation with Bill Hybels on April 6th. Jodi may want to keep her resume refreshed. If you think they dont see our sin, you are fooling yourself. "The question of how to pay for reforms long-term became an issue this week after the SBCs Executive Committee announced it had lost $6 million over the past fiscal year, mainly due to the cost of responding to the sex abuse crisis. Should Christians be carrying around tally sheets-How many did I lead to Christ this week? A less intimidating way to do that is a diary of sorts. Because you put so much trust and admire a leader like Hybels, your first instinct is to dismiss anything off about them. I got a chuckle out of your comment to Brad. @ okrapod: Driscoll will do quite well in charismatic ranks. She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. I am still looking for the benefit to Nancy or the others for speaking upat all. What shes done more than anything is reveal that Willow Creek had/has a culture and work environment that is not guided or governed by wise, common-sense policies or practices for accountabilityespecially when it came to male-female relationships. I mentioned how I recently read of a church where the IT had a deal with pastor to delete specifically his e-mails I laugh and say fat chance I can get him to do that for me! Thanks Dee. Joss Whedon Is a Hypocrite Preaching Feminist Ideals, according to his ex-wife Kai Cole in her guest post on *The Wrap*. He also told them this parable: Can the blind lead the blind? This reminds me of Bob Packwood, a former senator from my state. Parallel universe I suppose; different set of rules most likely. Taught many lies in the churches even to the point where we unknowingly give homage to the devil. Posted travelpro skywalk vs maxlite. Its the same thing my university wrings their hands over. (My roommate confirmed with the Tribune) When I got to the room, Bill had wine opened and waiting. This one is so true. I agree!! Perhaps God is looking for a different type of leadership in His Church. The headers which wont be encrypted give info on sender and recipients and dates. We are talking about someone very well paid to teach Jesus and model that teaching. Jesus was a grand act to follow, and the disciples did it right. It was always funny to me (sad really) how when Bill Hybels prayed for/about something no matter what it was, that according to Hybels God always answered him immediately or within days. In my 9 years of writing a blog which deals with abuse issues, I have been deeply upset by the responses of Christians when their celebrity church or pastor have been shown to have clay feet. That should be shut down with extreme prejudicepun definitely intended. is lynne hybels still married to bill. Is it that tough for you to give Bill Hybels any redeeming value? No worries. And since Peter came up in another reply of yours along with a list of credentials with almost everything but being a Pharisee of the Pharisees lets think of his credentials by the time Paul met up with him in Anotich. Either way, and knowing or assuming all this to be accurate, why would any man have his hands on women in ways that are open to suspicion if they are trying to stay out of trouble, either real or unjustly so accused? If you cant trust your pastor who can you trust? To TWW regulars: I am becoming concerned that there will be a full court press by some people. The pair is living in Chicago and is blessed with two children; both boys. Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors Brought so many people to Christ. I would add that based upon reactions of his followers here, it becomes more obvious why. havent forgotten. Brad Brucker wrote: May 28, 2021 45 Dislike Share Benjamin Ady 56 subscribers At Willow Creek South Barrington's Congregational Meeting May 2021, with about 200 Core Committed members present, Senior pastor Dave. AFAIK they havent yet made any corrections or denials. In her statement Monday, Niequist said she remains "in relationship with my dad." "I love him, & I always will. Bill has been married to Lynn Hybels since 1974. Is it not I, the LORD? But I can certainly tell when a guy does it to cop a feel. Sometimes theyre letting you know who theyve really been followingand who they havent been. Then more examples came out. 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