When a captive company (Primerica) does not require E/O, whose best interest are they looking out for? Back it up. 4. An employee would be happy with that. 99% of the time I sell Good Term Policies only when it makes sense. But Primerica is looking for people wanting a chance to make money to get their freedom. They are only interested in what they will bring, not the agent. And you are required no degree, or special training since they teach you. Bill, am I woman or a man? Its a little like PMI insurance on mortgages. I have triesd to explain loss leader to you before. Term is cheapest in the beginning, as you get older it and have quote run it will be more expensive. And then what about the referrals? Can RVPs start new people at different levels if they so choose? -. I doubt it. Warning: Ignorant people do not understand some or all these comments. . I know 3 people personally who have made over $100k more than once a yearand dont really recruit. Primerica was bought for distribution. Wrong, btu then again you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. A.L. If you say anything other than the owner/trainer you need to make sure you have an understanding of what lying is. Sicne you are not close to my equal, it offends me. Now they ahve already gotten people to go through the program and get everything covered since this is over 1 year old. @Bob Also lower your deductable on that E adn O insurance, you will need it. Most people do contact their warm market when starting out in the business. Just listening to the Primerica pitch told me something was wrong: you get yourself out of debt by borrowing money from Primerica? 5. As for the sales, Yes it is a sale when you get someone involved. Citi offers just about every financial product under the sun and they use Primerica as a sales force of their many products. I use him since I get a free account through my work. IN the Real world, you get paid for not doing work but for creating profits. If this is the case then this will be a strong stock to purchase. Depending on the integrity of the rep you concur with depends on what you get. When you go get a second position to help your family that is commendable. They say the leader makes the team. (Sour Grapes), : Now James, I know this may be hard to understand but if you spent a little more time investigating you would know this. You bring up a very valid point about reviews There will always be bad ones and always will be good ones. They contact (hassle) everyone they know, friends, family, co workers, etc. better system. What I think is brilliant with Primerica is that their goal is to help their customers use their existing income and shift things around freeing up extra cash to fund retirement and other savings goals. So Tom, You would rather have an agent present your loved ones or whomever a check for $250,000 rather than $325,000..If it doesnt matter to you, im pretty sure the beneficiary would see the difference..Now remember you said its Sunday.. Also being a captive agent the Primerica agent is there to sell Primerica products. - It would lead to calls from idiots like you trying to get me to change my plan. My grandmother was in MaryKay and I thought, oh hell no..I wouldnt dare do that. All the boxes and the make-up (which I am a minimalist when it comes to that) but my aunt and my cousins jumped right in because that was their niche. A way in, is all they need, to spread lies and mis-information. I have to admit that the above is a very succinct and accurate statement. ( These are the ones that caused the financial melt down and for everyone to lose their retirement money. As for your PFS agent who contacts you every 6 months, next time he/she contacts you ask them to research Life Settlements and inform you on the Pros and cons, and if there is a difference between a policy that can convert to a permanent product and their term policy if a Life Settlement was a consideration. You might have to miss your TV show for that night but then it might open your eyes. Zero Well, if you arent a terrible person that is. If you dont mind lying to people all day and taking advantage of the desperate, and likely (a I can pass on millions to my kids and grandkids and have it pass on and on throughthe generations simply be teaching them what to do with their money. I can make money this way without EVER recruiting ANYONE. I am a client that knows more than what you think. I am curious everything you suggest cost the clinet more and make you more money. Now you may not have the ethics to stay away from thsoe companies, but I do. a) I would like to see where that stat is. It covers your licenses, including Life, Health and Disability, Mortgage appointment, Securities, Primerica Prepaid legal, and the ability to get paid on referrals for Auto and Home owners insurance. But if he goes gets a business that pays him $20 to 50 a hour, he is an idiot? If you are curious, e-mail me and I will let you know who I represent. I do believe American middle-class families are in need of a financial make-over as a whole, so on that note, I believe in the system. Michael the comparison wont happen because the PFS agents are in the clients home to do the best that they can do with what they have to offer. You need to recruit them to your position and then convince them to buy and send referrals. Never a full-time requirement. now what if they offer the Legal plans as a group benefit? Quit kissing butt to earn a promotion. It was the letter from the legal council. Now I ask you, do you have to meet quotas where you work? You can have more control of how you wish to run your business and your life. ____________________. These long and twisted arguments by both side are hard to sort out. . I hope not. But for someone wanting to create wealth and not sustain it, you do not use Fixed, but Variables. Company B: $590 anuually The Primerica rep gives the computer specific information about the customers financial situation and it spits out what they call an FNA (Financial Analysis). I did not sign a non-compete agreement. Did you find someone smarter than you. You talk about ROP, Term, and cash valve policies. Are you going to let this go by and ignore it? Our company is getting closer to our goal of paying $1 Billion to our sales force. Which one is it? If someone is interested in them, I have the ability to talk to them and offer them these services. Instead of asking the people who didnt make it big why they didnt, ask the people who ARE successful how they did it? Maybe someone can enlighten me. It sounds more and more like Tom is a chick. The other thing is people do buy for value, and because of relationships, not because of the lowest price. I could no long stand up on a Thursday night OPP meeting and sell the dream while I was living a nightmare. We are regulated just like any other company and have to pass the same exams. Uses third party, un-biased sources, to prove their points. Since this is a legal definition. Do you tell your future clients that you failed to lead a group to success and blamed the company you represented. And then you find out it is only a sales pitch. Since they make so much money converting they will keep at this. The difference is what is included. Lower cost than Primerica. I am glad, but the person made the same grammar and spell mistakes you did. Who likes to play office politics? Primerica just was not my cup of tea. Improved products AND cheaper products, more products, outside business activities (with approval from your B/D), higher contracts, better legal protection (E&O, S Corp) etc. I just ran a quote 41 year old male, non-tobacco standard health rating, 500,000 DB, with a 20 year term from term4sale.com. At least then you will be better off than those that follow Michael or James. 2. Having to worry if they are doing it right and not having to go back to the client with your mistakes. People can do the same things they are doing outside of PFS and more. I think his true colors are obvious! Yes we get paid four waysYes we get actual licenses.Yes people are going to talk crap about the company because 1 out of 10 will make it hereand Yes the industry is threatened by our crusade. I have an adviser on call, I do nto have to make an appointment on Monday through Friday before 5 pm. Who likes to see the person who works the hardest get a head? This is to make sure you do not make mistakes, along with not beign dis-honest. And it is a waste of money. Suze Orman, says to stay away from cash value. As for LTD, policies outside work cost considerable more and do not cover as much. Again you must know your products and explain them to your clients. I commend you for your seeking of knowledge. You only get 1500 on contest, but you get paid on the tiotal premium. . From Primerica Financial Services Basic Agreement. That is why you constantly ahve to look for new clients. I checked the internet pricing searching multiple providers and the cheapest I could find was only $4 cheaper per month. I bet not. So why are you selling this to the wrong person. For investments, the Representative commission is 30% of the dealer cut, which is usually a small number like 4.5%. Since the policies you push have to have the convertibility, and Primericas does not they have better value. Exactly what does th issue with todays mortgage crisis have to do with someone who has a health situation and high health care cost? as there are many different policies each company has their own different features. *****Convertability is something 98% of the people who buy insurance will never need. The paper work for all this takes around 5 hours so that equates to $240 per hour which is 5 times the amount Im earning in my day-job. There is a reason why PFS or any other company price their products the way they do. No. Whatever it is.i dont care because i personally.AM MOTIVATED. Every Competent adviser says to do that. I am sure your job will cover you and every person for ever right? The only thing that made me think about it twice, is maybe I Know I can get tax except on many things that I would do with Primerica, like travel expense, entertaiment, food, lodging, etc. I know it must be hard for you to understand. However, you do NOT need to recruit to make a decent living, if you follow the ethical system you were taught. Now in looking for my evidence, I dodnt google it and look up the name with scamyou do that with any company and it will come up with a bunch of angry people or competitors guised as previous employees ready to rant and complain about anyt and everything-thats how people are. We make money from helping clients and from training people to know how to help families the correct way. But then again if the client takes the difference, the amount in a conservative mutual fund of 8%, would be more than the ROP. The comissions are low compared to the company that I have now. does that make me right and you wrong? So if you manage to sign someone up for a $10,000 debt consolidation loan, youll make $31. -, And Since I have said this time and time again cheaper does not make it equal. Again XRL, I do hope you pay more attention to what your clients say, and send you. Truths about PFS IBA. You can be Rolled Back which means lose the promotions that you have received and the commission levels at your RVPs discretion . The reason why I am responding to you is that I keep getting alerts when more posts are up and I cant help but read. I f I treated my mother like the way you treat you clients with term that only can be converted and fixed annuities, my family would disown me. (600,000 *.40 = 240,000) It shows your ignorance in math, and if you are saying that we are cheaper and basic math is a problem, your figures are suspect. Primerica estimates adjusted direct premiums to grow 13% in 2021. if nothing is sold no one gets paid. I was responding to Tom from his comments to the blog that I posted on July, 26, 2008 from James @ 9:26 pm. Andl last, I noticed a few comments of people who were confused about how we get paid, so here it is. Bottom Line: Will Primerica Leave You Primed For Profit? You were offered Primerica. Well here is one. But if you read the article, which proves you did not, if you took the difference and invested it getting a conservative 8%, you would have more. You compare an ARM with a fixed mortgage. That is unless you steal from other companies. Another thing I notice the PFS FNA lacks is that it tells them a FIN using hypothetical values while I can used guaranteed ones because you have no access to FIAs. First it is Systemic Risk not Systematic risk. Sorry for the length, just wanted to state how I felt. But then again I keep bringing up a Yugo and a BMW. 70. I am sorry for any confusion. Accidental death and dismemberment is worthless, since it pays on 1 out 1,000 policies. First is a robo program called Core Portfolios. Thanks for the laughs and by all means, please post again. Tomas, el burro sabe mas que tu. Last night I saw your program on TBS the three stooges with Tom, Tom, & Tom. I believe that I have found a better system for me and my clients. , _________________________________________________-_. My costs are 149 for the license from the state DOI, 250 for the L & H class, 250 for E & O insurance and 100 for the state test. Now how much did he make on that visit? Michael does not even use his true name. No one wants to work hard forever, so you build a team. When a man who is honestly mistaken learns the truth He will either cease being mistaken, OR cease telling the truth. The FNA is nice but I have 3 fully customized software systems that generate FNAs that are not limited to PFS products only (Disability income analysis is needed). . As I said before, in Primerica, every agent is under an RVP and the policies are scrubbed at the office level. Point: if you are marketing Primericas term, you are not offering your client the best product, both in price and feauturs. Most people do not have the right tools for it too. Giving up 5 or 6 sales to my trainer, whats up with that? When I first was being recruited by Primerica, I was led to believe that I was an owner of my own business. I will do that, but I will warn all 6 parties not to sign up for the mutual funds (at least for now) or do anything else besides the debt consolidation and etc, if the FNA shows that Primerica can indeed beat the current set up they have. Also you only get one licens for that money. Money invested correctly? Since it seems that this person is a competitor, it does nto suprise me the salm job he is trying. No problem Adam. . Cash value companies. I look for people with skills and desire and train them. But I have already proved you pay more have less. I am truly an independent, non-captive agent. The pay out is less than 1% of 1%. I knew that from the get-go, but instead of looking at it from the standpoint that most people do (wow, that sucks, 98% will never make the big bucks), I said me and one other person here are going to have a lot of fun here!. By age 60 you should have most of your nest egg needed to live on. This is something that Michael refuse to use. 3)A big attraction to Primerica for clients and reps is that it gives it clients and reps access to high yielding emergency fund accounts and investment grade vehicles for as little as $25/month making it theoretically possible for anyone to invest regardless of their economic situation. Ask your RVP about it. Sound familiar? How many people invest in cigarettes companies? Tom there are reasons why some policies have a lower cost. You sell mortgages that have the optional payment. You cant cover all your possible problems. I am curious you said before you are mission orientated. Who has an extra 1500 dollars to risk on a possibility? So choose for yourselves. I really must apologize, now that was an example of being unprofessional. You have to write a new policy on the spouse, and then delete the spouse-rider from the original. To protect the Primerica sales force and the Primerica Companies, each Primerica Company (and, if specifically authorized in writing by that Primerica Company, any of your upline agents) may enforce youre your compliance with ant restrictive covenant, confidentiality provision (including the return of confidential information) or trademark provision in your agreements with the Primerica Company to the fullest extent permitted by law by injunction or other equitable remedies (without having to arbitrate) , and will not be required to post a bond to do so. - More compensation: This means one of two things, either the company is taking less, or the customer is paying more. They range for a quick one 250 dollars to several thousand dollars. Tom PFS is different than ALW, read the books Coach Art Williams and Tearing Down The Walls, Sandy Weill. E and O insurance. A male with everything else the same as the female is 69.13. With my investments I am worth a lot. So what you MUST rely on is our ratings with the entities that regulate us: ambest, NASD, SEC, etc. Where is the Fiduciary duty that is being said here? Please tell me why it is fake to be in a MLM? . Would you give up 5 to 6 sales to get 50 to 60 sales? . If somehow a cash-value product existed that was cheaper than term for the same face amount, it would be better because the client would get their money back. 7 Loan origination License. Outside of PFS with the right contract, the same new agent can have ownership of their clients. How does Primerica actually make their money if they offer such good rates? This is something that everyone that is independent Advisers say not to do. That means I have more money in my annuity than your client did, which is great to me. Does he say anything different than what other advisers say, not really. Matter of fact I train sales people. Do you keep car insurance on a car that you do not own? This is a fact. Alternatively, Tom himself has admitted that he does not even use his real name. Why does someone need insurance when they are retired? Most sell cash value, a known product that destroys families, making them have car washes and other fund raisers to bury their dead, and pays the bills. Back it up. Becaused I know you didnt get up one morning and tell your spouse, I had a dream that Im suppose to save the world from a company named Primerica or like you guys like to call it PrimAmerica. It shouldnt lead one to believe I know or think I know everything. Now, I do know you have no knowledge of what it means since you keep saying it is cheaper. We were not even asked to buy. I am curious, how many middle american families are those? Some people do not like the risk of the market . I can stay in Motel 6, but I think paying for service is worth it. I found out many people dont carry a mortgage for a full 30 years. Or the house you sold last year? ROP is an option. As I posted above, Micheal word cannot be trusted. - All in all, I love Primerica and its opportunity. In the United States, ID Theft Defense is offered by contractual agreement between Primerica Client Services, Inc. and Prepaid Legal Services, Inc. d/b/a Legal Shield ("Legal Shield"). I bet you thinkk having insurance on that car that you had when you were 20, at age 70 is a great idea. He acted just like you, saying the father wanted these policies. Here I will say it again since you ahve missed it. I do know that you focus on price, and that is why you sell that way and you are comfortable. I am also currently studying for my RN exam this june. Fax: 470-564-6454 Attn: Cancellations. 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