Doctor Strange beat Dormammu by trapping him in a time loop. Or maybe Thanos resurrects Gamora out of grief, and this gives the Avengers the opening they need. @user189728 Considering Dr. He had no way of breaking out of a time loop. Strange has to ensure the BEST possible outcome that includes killing thanos with as little casualities. Looking for all the world like a vengeful Hamlet, Kang holds aloft Thanos' skull, triumphant. lol. Since we still know little about the Soul Stone, I'd guess it plays a central role in Endgame. I think he had the sling ring. Basically, it still brings me back to my original point: unless the stones act independently, and only in the best interest of Thanos, how would Thanos be able to react in time to actually activate the other stones' powers? WebWhile on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. All Rights Reserved. Otherwise any number of other people present when he has the stones uses them or seeks them out or becomes a bigger threat. Accessing the Book of Vishanti in Earth-616's universe may have not been possible at the time ofAvengers: Infinity War, or was only an option due to the Illuminati's specific members being around in Earth-838's realm. It doesn't appear as though any of the other Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy were involved with the battle this time around either, which makes sense considering just how powerful and brilliant the Illuminati's heroes are. It is a really dark question that I havent seen anyone really talk about. Wait was there a time stone in the drawer with the infinity stones? In Stephen Strange's MCU debut, he beat Dark Dimension rulerDormammu by trapping him in a neverending time loop, dying over and over until the demon agreed to his bargain and left Earth alone. Existence of the TVA absolutely ruins this scene for me because it doesn't matter how many outcomes they lose, the TVA were always waiting in the wings to step in and prune the timeline should they fail. Why Didn't Doctor Strange Trap Thanos In A Time Loop? With Doctor Strange peering into over 14 million possible futures, one fan theory suggests he foresaw a key event from Eternals: the emergence. It also could be that Strange was only able to access successful futures feasible in his universe. He was putting all his focus into stopping Kaecilius and then reversing time. Doctor Strange didn't trap Thanos in a loop using the Time Stone in Avengers: Infinity War, but why? Isn't it simply explained that it needed to be the precise individuals who needed to survive (and come back with Hulk's snap)? It's true that Doctor Strange looked into more than 14,000,605 different futures "to see all possibly outcomes of the coming conflict" but evidently there were still some futures he did not see. It's a worse version of seeing the future and then picking a path bc he's actively in combat where high pressure can mess things up. The necessary team-up between Tony Stark and Scott Lang to adapt PymTech also explains why Strange was willing to save Iron Man's life despite his earlier vow not to do so. Especially within his favourite franchises, such as Star Wars. ADVERTISEMENT Yes, its Thanos. There is always a chance but by himself he would not have much of one with out doing something dramatic like when he fought the Hulk He used the po Attempting to use his magic to find a better way might have set off an Incursion as well. International political treaties are the reason why nuclear weapons are basically just expensive line items on a budget, not an actual tool of war now. This bit brings up an interesting detail. Copyright 2020 The Direct Media Group LLC. And of course, Doctor Strange is not entirely helpless even without the time stone, and capable of putting up a decent fight with his verstility to protect the stone, so it might not be so easy for Thanos to "just take it" and end the loop himself even if he could perform the undo spell. Impossible, they needed 2 movies out of the Thanos arc. I think he at least try it in 1/14000605 alternate futures. While on Titan, Doctor Strange and the rest of the gang battle against Thanos (Josh Brolin), ultimately failing to defeat the Mad Titan. Yes, the other stones could be used to stop Strange, but only once he has time to actually use them, which he wouldn't. , Honestly revealing it at all is too risky he could just snap and suddenly the eye is bubbles and strange can't harness the power and then he can just walk through them either way and get it, On top of that there's nothing honestly stopping him from sending strange to the dead of space or turning him into bubbles and he an do that just as fast or faster than strangest time magic. However, a new fan theory may explain the rationale behind Strange's decision to relinquish the Infinity Stone he had sworn his life to protect in exchange for Tony Stark's life despite previously vowing to let the ArmoredAvenger die if given the choice. Doctor Strange uses the Time Stone to view over 14 million alternate futures to determine the outcome of their battle but is unsettled to see only one of them showing the Avengers victorious. It's a pretty solid supposition that this journey may provide the Avengers with a means to travel back in time without the use of the Time Stone. Let's be real here: Dr. Strange affected freaking Dormammu with his atomic manipulation , if Dormammu had hard time against it, then Thanos has no This, however, would be extremely graphic and would no doubt clash with the family-friendly image Disney cultivates, even in a literal fight for all existence. By sacrificing Gamora and thus earning a contract with the stone, it would ensure he was not killed or incapacitated in such a way that he would fail his mission to obtain all six Infinity Stones. I hardly doubt they will beat or undo his actions simply by physical force. Or maybe mind stone could take over DS mind and force him to undo/give up, but Thanos do not have time Stone here so that is out of the option. The team utilized the Book of Vishanti to come out of this battle on top as Professor X, Captain Carter, Maria Rambeau, Black Bolt, Mr. or does he go into a "void" so to speak only to re-emerge later when the hulk snaps everyone back? Kind of a plot armor argument I think but to take it sincerely: -We have Thanos w/ Power - Space - Soul Stone, -With the black Order in full power (Minus Gamora and Nebula), -With Chitauri Army (Or whatever assaulted Wakanda in Infinity War), -The Avengers with the Mind Stone (attached to Vision) and Time Stone, -No Hulk (Because he wasn't coming out at the time of infinity war), -Maybe the guardians of the galaxy? If he knew about this event, then he may have taken it into account when giving Thanos the Time Stone. As a beingof our dimension, Thanos may not be quite as susceptible to a similar trick, especially given how driven he's presented as being. Physically, absolutely not. Power wise, so long as Thanos doesnt have the Infinity Gauntlet / any Infinity Stones, yes. The mostobvious comes from those 14 million futures Doctor Strange saw; it's entirely possible thathe did attempt to use the Time Stone in one or more of them, only for it to not succeed in ultimately stopping Thanos. They added that after Thanos achieves his goal and initiates the Snap, he destroys the Infinity Stones because no other being strong enough could wield the stones. Growing up in the English countryside on a mixture of Star Wars, The Simpsons and Aardman, Alex is a lifelong movie obsessive. It takes the power of all three stones to create the laws of physics as we know them, independently they lack the qualities of the other. It's pointed out that if Doctor Strange knew about the Celestial inside Earth, then surely he would've gotten involved in the Eternals' plan to ensure that it worked. Dormammu resides in a different dimension, not a different universe. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. In the end, Doctor Strange pulls off a massive win for the Avengers and humanity because he chooses the one future scenario where the Infinity Stones are not only gone, but Thanos is also out of the picture. There could have been a million ways to defeat thanos, but doing so in those ways may have left the stones in tact and thus a few years after thanos dies, someone else shows up and kills everyone. So, if Doctor Strange had simply used the time stone to stop or slow time, there's no way Thanos would have time to react to that stimulus, formulate a response, and have his nervous system send the signal down to act on that response all in way less than the blink of an eye. Throughout Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, various characters note with some anger that Strange's only way to beat Thanos resulted in untold pain thanks to giving Thanos the Time Stone and allowing him to kill countless (in the name of eventually restoring them all). He brutally grabs Thanos' throat and forces him to experience his entire life asthe Conquererliterally ages the Mad Titan to death. In his spare time, Ben is usually watching movies, playing games and running D&D games for friends (and hopes to one day actually be a player). Web#Thanos #DoctorStrange #InfinityWar"We're in the Endgame now." Its a very stringent criteria for a victory. But, weren't they only able to break out of it because they were prepared, and knew it was coming, able to then use dark magic before Strange cast the spell? Tony Stark must earn the respect of Thanos during the fight so that he does not simply kill him because he can. Only Star Lord was willing sacrifice a loved one to save the universe and for that he gained Thanos respect. While Sprite is resentful of them, Makkari points out that humans "defeated Thanos, and saved half the universe," showing that the Avengers' actions had an impact on how the Eternals viewed Earth. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Thanos with 4 stones should have no problems breaking free even if strange somehow succeeds in casting a spell when he failed doing so against Maw. Doctor Strange used the Time Stone and saw the one (and only) path to victory over Thanos. But while some have laid the blame for all that chaos at the feet of certain heroes, things might have worked out for the best, given how dangerous things could have gone for the heroes. Welcome to /r/FanTheories! Strange has power over time and has used this offensively many times before, it would seem strange to me if he was only examining paths from the present one. It will be interesting to see the role it likely plays. As seen following the iconic snap, the Gauntlet was damaged, possibly beyond repair, and having removed Etri's hands following the Gauntlet's construction, it's unlikely that a replacement can be forged. Many have assumed the Sorcerer Supreme is playing a long game, one that extends beyond his death at the snapof the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet after viewing over 14 million possible futures (14,000,605, to be precise) before his fight, though it is unclear how this will ultimately unfold in Avengers: Endgame. You have raised a good point though, personally I was under the impression that the loop spell can only be undo by Doctor Strange himself (the caster), since no matter how many times Dormammu destroyed him along with the eye of agamotto which contains the stone itself (from within the time-incarnations) over and over again through countless time loops, and it still could not break the spell. Personally, I can't help but ponder that even with four stones on the gauntlet (power, space, reality and soul), Thanos would still have a difficult time (if not downright impossible) beating a time stone Doctor Strange, especially if he has prepped and time loop activitated --. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness reveals that another group of heroes from across the multiverse defeated their world's Thanos without resorting to the over-arching plans of Infinity War. Doctor Strange 2 seemed to indicate that there was another way to defeat the Mad Titan besides the way it worked out in the Infinity Saga - one that didn't require the world to go through such turmoil. Offers may be subject to change without notice. Running out of options on their world, this variant of Strange elected to use the corrupting evil tome, the Darkhold. Strange himself used the time stone to trap Dormammu and his dimension in a time loop. A new fan theory for Avengers: Endgame explains why exactly Doctor Strange gave the Time Stone willingly to Thanos despite knowing the consequences. Thus,while he may not have been trying to save Earth specifically, his Snap still would've saved half the population. Would he be froze still or can he still perform? The only reason for that is he has the Infinity Stones. Unfortunately, nothing can stop the warlord, who goes as far as to nearly kill Tony Stark it's at this moment that Doctor Strange decides to give up the Time Stone. Redditor Thomascgalvin suggests that, while viewing the alternate futures, Strange came to the realization that Thanos' use of the Infinity Gauntlet's full power was a one-time only feat. Thor could have brought rocket and groot to titan instead of wakanda, dr strange could have chopped thanos in half with a portal when they put him to sleep, or at least cut off his left hand, loki could have used the space stone to get the asgardians to earth and then they could have a 3 to 1 stone advantage on thanks, etc. Because out of 14 million possible outcomes there was only 1 where they succeed, and it wasn't by Dr. Seeing that this battle is as important as it is Dr. Strange moved the apple forward after only practicing with the Stone for a minute - imagine what he would be capable of if he had just a little more time to hone his skills. I also wonder why Doctor Strange didn't just use the time stone to defeat Thanos. As a result, Doctor Strange hands over the Time Stone to the villain, allowing Thanos to take one step closer to wiping out half the universe. Despite Strange memorably saying "There was no other way" before disappearing in a haze of dust, he was quite wrong; there was indeed another way. While Strangemay not have intervenedbecause he foresaw Thanos eventually using the Gauntlet either way, the fan theory suggests that he actually wanted the Snap to occur. So what do you guys think? By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. However, the cost would have been far too great to take on. This also came before Baron Mordo was a part of the team, which was also most likely because he wasn't the Sorcerer Supreme of his universe yet, with Doctor Strange involved instead. As Doctor Strange desperately tried to figure out a way to defeat Thanos in Avengers: Infinity War, he peered into 14,000,605 possible futures. But either way, it's still a compelling theory that's fun to believe in, as it adds even more weight to Strange's Infinity War actions. Much like Thanos was likely too powerful, quick and or intelligent to let his hand be cut off, Thanos likely could have broken out of the spell. With that in mind, Strange was counting on Thanos using the fully-powered Gauntlet to render it useless following the snap before posthumously enacting his master plan to somehow undo its effects. 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Jackson, Cobie Smulders, Benedict Wong, Zoe Saldana, Karen Gillan, Vin Diesel, Dave Bautista, Pom Klementieff, Scarlett Johansson, Tom Holland and Anthony Mackie. One could interpret the other stones as independent of time. Throughout the courses, he has worked on a number of short films and documentaries. Dormammu had no concept of time. None of the other allies can die. On-screen stone feats Knowing this, Doctor Strange starts to help the others execute a plan that almost takes Thanos out. I feel like together, they would have prevented Thanos from obtaining the Time and Mind stone leaving Thor with the ability to cut off his head. I've spoken about this many times but i will give the short version: A victory in ur eyes is not the same as a victory in the eyes of Strange. Dormammu isn't just new to the concept of time, he doesn't understand the sorcery Strange is employing (who didn't know it was an Infinity Stone). Despite a brief jaunt in Mathematics at Durham University, film writing was always his calling. So, even if the reality stone or space stone could be used in ways to counteract the time stone, Thanos himself would need adequate time for his body to actually respond to the stimulus, which he wouldn't be able to do with time stopped/slowed significantly. The Quantum Realm has repeatedly been referred to as playing an important role in Endgame, and no surviving character knows the microscopic dimension better than Scott Lang. He once asked Tom Cruise about his supposedly fake-butt in Valkyrie (he swore it was all real). What if Thanos takes the stone during one of the loops? Doctor Strange has seen Lang's role in the future, and knows Stark possesses the knowledge and technology to use the secrets of the Quantum Realm to thwart Thanos and reverse the effects of the snap by combining his resources with Hank Pym's technology. 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