I have just been advised that I can take a NPPL which just requires a certificate of good health from my doctor. WOW they had a conniption, and I lost my ticket for several months while they dithered. You get caught lying on a medical, they'll do a lot more than just bust your balls. What most folks dont realize is that less than 1% of medical applications are denied whether it be for diabetes or criminal record. Generally, first-class is designed for the airline transport pilot; second-class for the commercial pilot; and third-class for the student, recreational and private pilot. Such law, whether it be the Prohibition of Alcohol, a tea tax or 3rd class medical requirements, will be seen only as an assault upon the freedom of those governed, designed solely to enhance the authority of its issuing agency through intimidation. The FAA is able to see what medication a pilot has been subscribed because they have access to the national prescription database. An attorney that focuses on FAA medical denials may be able to guide you through the process and work with the FAA to achieve certification. I went to my own doctor who advised me it was nothing to worry about. Now, prostate cancer several years in the past with normal PSAs now is not a hindrance and the AME is instructed to issue the medical certificate. Maybe I misunderstood the content regarding flagging his file, maybe this is an appropriate means of discipline, they did not elaborate. Global misunderstands that Procedure codes, diagnosis codes and pharmacy codes were denied protections under to ACA of 2010. Because of that, it is very easy to get away with lying on your medical certificate application. Why is it ok for a diabetic to drive without checking glucose but not a pilot? If I have a bad cold, or whatever, I will DQ myself for flight, even if such action results in a profound economic penalty for me even though I have a valid First Class Medical. With the impact these regulations and half-baked ideas have on our lives, economy, and national security in general it is time that federal employees comply with all the regulations the citizens that they regulate have to. How do I get my FAA medical records? If you do or don't disclose, that's your business. What objective proof can they present that Im actually depressed or for that matter no longer depressed that would otherwise qualify me for a medical? And on the other hand we have people like the pilot mentioned in J. Mac McClellans article Too Many Risks in the May 2012 issue of Sport Aviation who out right lied about his substance use and abuse. Ive no choice but be truthfull,but I am sure Ive flown with other pilots who are afraid of admitting or just dont admit that they are not fit to fly themselves or their passengers safely.Does that ache youve been noticing or even worse ignoring mean something? What makes an airplane as a machine so different. If you succeed in running that gauntlet, there is something else to consider. and moved on to checking the no column for the rest of the page. I just recently got my Cat 1 medical, and honestly the doctor is pretty thorough when it comes to examining his patient, everything from blood pressure to ECG. Obviously, many do. The FAA Medical requirements need revision and made more rational instead of simply being a procedural nightmare for pilots. I agree the sport licensse should include at least up to a 152, super cub and all two seat trainers. I am hoping that they do the right thing when it comes to my health assessment. Im no danger to anyone because I dont particularly like myself. Type II diabetes, coronary artery stents, history of myocardial infarction (heart attack), various cancers, and several other diseases are disqualifying, but Special Issuance can be obtained by doing the hoop jumping that the FAA requires, such as providing a statement from your treating physician, listing the medications that you take, do you have any side effects from the medications, do the medications actually work. He showed no regard for the safety of others, nor did he feel guilty about lying, just relieved he passed. And the Medical Flight Test needs to be taken only once and the SODA is good indefinitely. If you didnt say yes then you lied. 45,000 Northern California pilots with current medical certificates Wow - are there really 45,000 pilots with current medicals in just Northern California? I know this Pilot who has type 1 Diabetes which requires insulin injections daily, drinks alcohol every night, takes an antidepressant, and every afternoon gets the shakes. We all know that volume of cars on the roads vs. number of planes in the air leads to have to deal with more idiots on the ground. Wouldnt tell you if I had a peg leg and a glass eye. With a small investment of time and energy, in the beginning, it is possible to keep flying with most medical conditions as long as they are well controlled. Policy what tests you need, when you need to take these tests, etc) to satisfy the FAA that youre good to go. The FAA will then require more detailed medical information before they can determine if you qualify for a medical certificate. Is Medical Coding The Same As Medical Transcription? Sometimes, your case can be put higher up in the stack. No faxes or emails are allowed. your PIC in the Cockpit might have the most serious medical condition, but will never no it thats why the federal government made the HIPPA law. By now most of you know there are way too many federal employees standing around over paid and coming up with way too many regulations to try and justify their job. I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. We have to be honest with ourselves. Trying to fix an accidental lie on my medical. A highly experienced AME, also a 747/DC-10 Captain for a major airline, once told me that crewmembers lose consciousness in the seat about half a dozen times every year. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. Heres more information on the FAAs battery of neuropsychological testing: https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/dec_cons/disease_prot/adhd/. I am a physician instrument pilot with an appreciation for medical limitations. Many of the requirements for special issuance for example are redundant and simply bureaucratic paper chases. My own doctor sent me to the local hospital who cleared me and found nothing wrong. I had kidney stone surgery 12 years ago and over the last two years I passed two stones at home. He memorized the color chart. Coud be they are asking to much, to elimate the third class medical?. XYZZY62, Check the AME Guide posted at faa.gov to determine what the FAA requires for your seasonal depression. As one previous poster mentioned, why not let the AME make more of the calls, especially for class 3? When I joined the military, it popped up at MEPs and I had to complete a waiver but I was allowed to go to boot camp. Out of those, the number of GA deaths from medical incapacitation is tiny. Just makes you wonder. I am 64 years old. It is a good thing that there are no sport airplanes to rent in your location. Not just surprise test changes from the FAA but the FMCSA again wanting to reduce truck drivers hours of service due to fatigue despite the lack of evidence published on the FMCSAs own web site. Throwaway account for obvious reasons. I definitely do not lie on my medical application (8500-8) form because its a legal instrument. Take two people, with same medical condition, one who has been denied previously and the other who has not. Students and young pilots just want to fly. It can also ensure you keep flying for years to come. SO ITS FLY TILL I DIE OR GO TO PRISON. Help is only a phone call away! Im a late student and cancer survivor and the FAA takes three months to get my student permit back and it expires in nine months. That is why the FAA doesnt sanction Mr. Diabetes as Dickie would like. Sign up for our free email newsletter, packed with tips, tricks and news for pilots. Driving While Impaired (DWI) from alcohol, drugs, texting and exhaustion is obviously a serious problem and every driver self certifies, there is no evidence in the National Traffic Safety Data Base, that accidents caused by preexisting health conditions and the medications used for their treatment, is a major problem. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. I say that based on the relative numbers discussed above. Deliberate falsification on the medical form is a crime punishable by imprisonment and large fines (read the form, folks), and any losses wont be covered by your insurer. Most pilots I know plan to fly for longer than it takes one or two medical certificates to expire. They are busy guarding the barn only after the horse is back inside. Of those, only a very small % are from medical causes. His career was essentially over with that arrest and he killed himself because of it. Now then, back to your question do pilots lie about medical conditions to their AME naaaaaaah! Insurance companies now have a way out of paying the claim and if there were passengers or other property damage involved now lawyers get involvedsomething to think about! It's safer to allow people to self-disclose and get help, rather than non-disclosure and possibly flying impaired. 'I get many calls from pilots who ask how to deal with a situation where a misrepresentation was made in the past'most often on a medical certificate application'which is now coming back to haunt them,' says attorney Charles M. Finkel. For what do you have special issuance? Most women get frequent headaches-about once a month, and heaven forbid but we do go to the doctor and get X-rays and tests once or twice a year. Taint worth messing up folks. If you have not needed counselling for a year or more (maybe less) and are not taking an antidepressant, get a note from your counsellor and take it with you to the appoint with the AME. I wanted to go to the interview with the certificate already in hand so I could have a slight edge. (BTW, I am a member of both.) I see my doctor at least once a year and sometimes twice he says Im healthy, But I dont trust the FAA. If you fly only pilot with family and friends, your Medical certification, whether with the AME/FAA or flight-to-flight, is about them. You definitely need to be in pretty good shape physically and mentally to be PIC, but I am really discouraged by the heavy-handed, intrusive, and IMHO borderline incompetent way the special issuance process works. According to Dr. Guillermo J. Salazar, the federal flight surgeon for the Southwest Region, applicants filling out Form 8500-8 often skip Block 17, which asks about medications, rather than spill the beans. Yes, most people that love to fly do what they can to preserve their ability to do so. Lie by default. Neither IFA, nor Paul Engstrom assume any responsibility or liability for events that occur due to actions you or others on your behalf take based on the information given in this article. The hypocrisy at the FAA hurts general aviation in lots of ways. Crashing airplanes? What Are the Chances of Getting Caught Lying on an FAA Medical? From a practical standpoint, it makes the most sense. All three retained their medicals after appropriate medical treatment or new corrective lenses. (No misprint.) You may think you told the truth but you absolutely did not. People Lie to do what they love to do. By the way a friend of mine died 2 hours after acquiring his 2nd class medical. With the right preparation, you can navigate the process efficiently. | site designed by. Risk is inherent in everything humans do whether they are operating a car, a boat, an airplane or a train. The bottom line is,if you cant be truthfull to yourself,you cant be truthfull at all. Pilot organizations offer free advice to members, commercial outfits offer advice and assistance for a fee and printed resources are available. The odds of a passenger catching Covid-19 on a flight and dying from the virus are less than one in half a million. But here is where the absurdity of this over zealous pursuit of perfect safety is to be seen: Be careful that if you have seen your doctor and are responding yes to question 19 and your doctor diagnosed you with ADHD (or suggested that you had ADHD), you will also likely need to respond yes to question 18m. Period. the more you say no the more you are hurting your own self. If they claim pilots and truck drivers are more important or have a larger impact then ask why the average federal bureaucrat is paid so much. I just received a response from The office of Audit and Evaluations concurring the facts, stating He does not hold a current medical certification at this time, his file has been flagged for future applications. Additionally, the one who was honest is punished. Alternatively, upon 90-days of discontinuation of medication, you can potentially undergo the requested neuropsychological testing prescribed by the FAA. No. My first experience with an AMI was when I applied for a job with the government and was required to take a physical exam. Signed, RN/PPSEL/IFR. The Aerospace Medical Certification Subsystem (AMCS) has been enhanced to provide the capability to print Airman Medical or Airman Medical and Student Pilot Certificates. You would not be alone, as there are many older pilots that fly with conditions that would disqualify them from getting the Third Class medical. People who are actually depressed long term are not really at risk of doing things like this if they were, they wouldnt be here to start with. That cost me about six months of flying. The absurdity is having a major federal bureaucracy policing this incredibly low number of deaths. The FAA has created an atmosphere that not only encourages problems to go unchecked and unreported, but actually makes some of those problems worse by discouraging pilots from addressing them, instead allowing them to fester. PLEASE HELP Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. have you ever once in your life had and on the other hand they are so vague. I have to say, this doc was thorough, checked everything, but, when he saw that attachment with all that exposure, he looked at me in a way like what is all this. But, its on the list that would prevent me from passing my medical, so I did not name them. Remember that most pilots who have lost their medicals because they lied are probably not around here to talk about it. If your nephew had his medical denied for 10 years, he must have been found to have epilepsy. Simple you dont need to know and if you are scared to apply for you medical because your feared in getting caught. Question 17 can identify for the FAA that an individual is currently taking a disqualifying medication such as Adderall, Ritalin, Concerta, Strattera, etc, commonly used to treat ADHD. He refused to take the physical his business required because his family had a history of heart trouble, he was a bit overweight, etc. John is a Certified Flight Instructor, who for the past decade, has worked at flight schools teaching students of all ages how to fly and takes enormous pride and satisfaction seeing his students become licensed pilots. Some do it by mistake. You just never know, and even a thorough and honest medical will never catch anything. Those are hard to fake. Its sad. A good AME will grease the skids for you, but dont expect the AME to overlook a problem. Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by Globalpilot, Oct 6, 2018. The AME can comment on the problem stating that it no longer exists and you are not on medication in the comments section on the 8500-8 and submit it along with the note from your counsellor to the FAA and go ahead and issue your Medical Certificate. Any law or rule, which is widely viewed by those subject to its enforcement as being unfair, unjust, capricious and arbitrary, because it has no basis in fact, will be disrespected and thus unenforceable. Neither one can tell me exactly what it is I have to do to get my medical / student certificate now. Free health screenings, nope, wont do those, might turn up something (whether correctly or incorrectly) that could end up costing me a fortune to deal with. Since my late 30s, I have taken meds to control my blood pressure. Some records reviewer in OKC can not guarantee those in my aircraft a safe journey only I can do that. According to Pilot Self-Grounding Requirements (CFR 61.53), pilots have the duty to ground themselves and report to the FAA any changes in their medical condition before they are able to fly again. However, a few years later when I needed to take a 2nd class physical, I could not pass because of the hearing problem and the AMI made an appointment for me with the FAAs regional medical representative. At worse, you may face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. It sure would eliminate a lot of phone calls and digging through files for me. However, if you do get caught, at best you will lose your license. I reported hypertension and was required to have an entire cardiac work-up within the past 6 months. The barn only after the horse is back inside the virus are less than 1 of. Already in hand so I did not elaborate no the more you are scared to apply for medical. 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